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NV receive QPI license, give X58 SLI permit by sel
Topic Started: Jul 11 2008, 12:17 AM (413 Views)
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Sources hints NVIDIA have already got Intel QPI license, but they won’t hush to unveil any high end mobo, because it is already too late since X58 is just around the corner of 08′Q4. The company did not expect too much high end user will choose the high end Bloomfield CPU when it is still in the early stage.

Rather than high end mobo, NV will only focus on Intel Lynnfield CPU, try to debut a LGA 1160 board. That’s because LGA 1160 still keeps DMI we currently use to link to south bridge but no QPI, it will be more easier to design a LGA 1160 mobo then QPI supported LGA 1366 boards.

That doesn’t means NVIDIA will just hand over the high end market to AMD easily. It is said NV have already gave out SLI permit to Intel X58, by selling their BR-04 chips, just like what they did to the Skulltrial.

But even they give permit, it doesn’t means you can see lots of SLI enable X58 everywhere after Q4. First of all, The chip BR04 is as expansive as $30 USD, and secondly a reference X58 can not add BR-04 by not changing the PCB layout, that means if a mobo maker want to make SLI and non-SLI X58, they need two different PCB layout. All these just keep the mobo production cost rising, so we can expect second tier mobo maker may not going for SLI enabled X58.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/07/11/nv-receive-qpi-license-give-x58-sli-permit-by-selling-chips/
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hkepc.com%2F%3Fid%3D1440%26fs%3Dc1h&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Didn't see that comin'. Good for competition, I guess.

..I'm not even sure if I want these chips on my board. Perhaps for future proofing when Nvidia has something interesting on sale. Other than that they're just going to mess with thermals, power, and layout. No yucky green chips on mine! Ha. :P
Edited by bowman, Jul 11 2008, 12:31 AM.
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lol now the mybe got a qpi lisance but the got seud again by rambus XD
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Yeah, it's pathetic - Rambus can't make any products people want (well, they seem to be selling them to console manufacturers and Cell users, who cares though?) so they sue people over their patents to make money instead. What a business model. I hope they fail miserably.
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I thought Nvidia would pursue X58 harder than that. With the way the video card wars seem to be heating up, if Nvidia doesn't come out with something really good by Q4, they could be in some very serious doo doo. :D
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I'm going to stick with my 8800GTX for a while - I don't want a multi-GPU solution unless they come up with something better than crossfire on a single PCB (4870X2), and the GTX 280 really doesn't impress me at all, especially considering the price.

I want the same kind of single-GPU generational leap I witnessed going from 7800 to 8800. Two generations have passed and it remains to be seen.
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the hd4870x2 is not a crossfire setup
it got a internal bus connector( like fsb )
hd3870x2 uses crossfire link connection
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the hd4870x2 is not a crossfire setup
it got a internal bus connector( like fsb )
hd3870x2 uses crossfire link connection
That was a silly rumor which ATI fanboys swallowed raw.

It has a PCI-Express bridge chip just like the 3870X2, except this time it's PCI-E 2.0 rather than 1.1. Just as I feared.
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Hey guys, I'm interested in your thoughts on this... Do you agree with what I wrote?

(view the blog article for the full story and images)

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What's perhaps most interesting is that NVIDIA may support SLI on Intel boards with the NF200 PCIe bridge/switch for either Bloomfield, Lynnfield, or both and never actually develop a chipset for this architecture. This may be a very good thing for all concerned. While NVIDIA makes excellent graphic cards, their chipsets on Intel platforms have always been riddled with issues. Gaming or 3D benching enthusiasts who want both SLI and the stability or reduced hassle of an Intel chipset may actually be getting what they want.

NVIDIA will still make decent money from "enabling" SLI motherboards as they are rumored to be pricing the NF200 chips at a lofty $30 price point. Keep in mind that a full-fledged chipset will command around $50. So from the NVIDIA accountant's point of view, this looks very attractive... nearly $30 of pure margin from a very simple chip and no R&D costs associated with developing a new chipset.

Intel should also be happy as they won't be competing againts NVIDIA for the enthusiast chipset market and any Intel platform can effectively be enabled with SLI by the motherboard manufacturer simply by designing a variation of their board that includes the NF200 chip.

If these rumors end up being true, it looks to be a Win-Win-Win!
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The rumors appear to be true from everything I've read.

I sure hope this chip is at least 65nm. I don't need some Skulltrail-like where there are two hot, useless chips down there necessitating a noisy southbridge fan. :-/
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SANTA CLARA, CA—JULY 14, 2008—PC enthusiasts, manufacturers, and developers around the world have a lot to be excited about today with NVIDIA Corporation’s announcement that it will be bringing the power and performance of its SLI® multi-GPU technology to Intel’s upcoming line of Bloomfield CPUs. With this winning combination, consumers will have an SLI platform designed for current and future graphics-intensive games and applications; these platforms can be powered by one, two, or even three NVIDIA GeForce® GPUs, including the new, award-winning GeForce GTX 280 and GTX 260 GPUs.

New SLI motherboards will feature the NVIDIA nForce® 200 SLI processor, Intel Bloomfield CPUs, and Tylersburg (X58) chipsets. The nForce 200 SLI processor features patented SLI technology for graphics bandwidth management and multi-GPU peer-to-peer communications, both required to optimize graphics performance.

“With GeForce-based visual computing application, our customers are experiencing exciting new ways to interact with their photos and videos while also experiencing the bone-chilling realism from our latest graphics processors,” said Jeff Fisher, senior vice president of GPU business at NVIDIA. “Our SLI technology allows us to combine the power of hundreds of GeForce processing cores in multi-GPU configurations with Intel’s latest CPUs for platforms that are sure to excite our customers.”

What the Customers Are Saying:
“It’s great to see that NVIDIA opted to enable SLI on the future Intel Bloomfield platform,” said Rahul Sood, CTO Voodoo Business Unit, HP. “Make love not war I say… and NVIDIA’s enablement of Intel chipsets to support SLI will make our jobs much easier in offering a better customer experience as we continue to evolve HP’s award-winning Blackbird 002 and Voodoo Omen platforms.”

“Our clients want the best of everything, and it’s our job to package the best technologies into one complete system for them,” said Kelt Reeves, president of Falcon Northwest. “NVIDIA’s SLI configurations have produced the fastest graphics solutions on the market for years, and the ability to pair SLI with Intel’s upcoming processors will deliver a level of overall system performance no one has ever seen before. We can’t wait to equip Falcon Northwest systems with this solution!”

“NVIDIA`s SLI technology is the outstanding feature of high-end gamer PCs,” says Klaus Rüther, Desktop Product Manager at Atelco. “We are very pleased that the SLI technology will be available for the new line of Intel Bloomfield CPUs. With SLI, the gamer can experience the latest PC games as if they were real.”

“Medion is a highly regarded European OEM as an innovator in enthusiast-based PCs,” said Oliver Soellner, CMO at Medion. “By adding NVIDIA SLI with Intel’s next-generation CPU platform, we can offer the most feature rich Medion Erazer PCs with blistering graphics performance, which is sure to satisfy the most demanding users.”

“Fujitsu-Siemens is excited to see NVIDIA SLI technology associated with Intel Bloomfield CPUs. This combination addresses the innovative gaming market and will bring the best experience to gamers worldwide,” said Michael Hilpert, Senior Product manager at FSC.

“What a great, great move, the ability to have 3-way SLI, with Intel Bloomfield CPUs. The combination will break all the existing performance barriers and deliver a whole new user experience. The wait is over,” Elan Raja III Director Scan Computers.

“Over the last four years, NVIDIA has been recognized for its SLI technology innovation and leadership," said Joe Hsieh, General Manager at ASUS. "This technology is an excellent feature that customers are demanding for their new Intel platforms. We are excited about bringing the power of this platform to our Intel customers.”

“Acer congratulates NVIDIA on its nForce 200 SLI technology platform and we are very interested to bring it to market,” said Brian Bogaard, Product Business Manager, Acer EMEA Desktop PC

The pairing of the NVIDIA nForce® 200 SLI MCP with Intel’s new Bloomfield CPU and Tylersburg core logic chipset will deliver NVIDIA 3-way SLI technology for an unmatched PC gaming experience, providing up to a 2.8× performance boost over traditional single graphics card platforms. When playing the most cutting-edge games, including current titles such as Crysis and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, 3-way SLI technology lets gamers ratchet up the resolution to 2500 × 1600, while turning on all of the tasty eye candy, including high-dynamic range lighting, motion blur, and realistic environmental effects.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1216019719164.html

Official press release. Confirmed 3-way SLI, then, unlike SkullTrail.
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Good to know. Thanks.

I guess they will achieve 3-way SLI by using an NF200 to split 16 lanes from the X58 into 32 lanes and use the other 16 lanes in the X58 natively. I need to check into the operation/function of the NF200.
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Nvidia reportedly scores QPI license while Intel gets SLI for X58 motherboards

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Monica Chen and Ricky Morris, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Tuesday 15 July 2008]

Nvidia has recently reached an agreement with Intel and received a Quick Path Interconnect (QPI) license enabling the company to design chipsets for Intel's next-generation platforms, according to sources at motherboard makers.

Nvidia will only launch solutions for entry-level and mid-range motherboards supporting socket 1160 CPUs (Lynnfield) initially. Whether this is because Nvidia is not very optimistic about the potential of the high-end market in the early stages, or a restriction imposed by Intel to make sure it gets to enjoy the lion's share of the enthusiast socket 1366 CPU (Bloomfield) market is unclear at this stage.

Both Intel and Nvidia declined to comment regarding their future products or strategy.

In other news, Nvidia has announced that motherboards based on Intel's X58 chipset (Tylersburg) supporting Bloomfield CPUs will be able to support SLI technology through the inclusion of its nForce 200 chip (BR04). This is a similar arrangement to the one currently seen in Intel's Skulltrail motherboards.

This is a significant licensing win for Intel, making it the only one of the three main x86 chipset makers who will be able to offer support for both SLI and AMD's Crossfire multi-GPU technologies (not mention its own Larabee technology when it eventually launches too) although it is possible not all board makers will choose to pay the extra cost for the nForce 200 chip.

Nevertheless, three of Taiwan's top-four motherboard makers: Asustek Computer, Gigabyte Technology and Micro-Star International (MSI), and Acer have already said they are likely to release X58 SLI boards.


http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2008/7/15&pages=PD&seq=205

I didn't see the Nvidia news release until now, but some have suggested that Nvidia may not do well given the current state of affairs.
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Do you think that the SLI enabled motherboards will also support Crossfire? Or only SLI?
Having both as an option would be great for upgrade possibilities.
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I suppose they'll have both, Skulltrail does.
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